Blight And Ruin · Jul 08, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Well, that's lucky. I think I paid like 1k total for both of those.

shinseikaze · Jul 08, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35

nice never knew +5 armour is so useful spent to much on fortitude mods

Auntie I · Jul 08, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

I had been wondering about this topic myself. This has been most enlightening. I guess I now have to go look for an armor mod for my staff.

ZennZero · Jul 08, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Now what *I* wonder is if I would be better served with a +7 shelter or a +5 defense. Ranger armor already has a pretty high resistance agaisnt elemental damage (100) so adding +5 to it might not make much difference, but on the other hand the additional +2 vs phys. doesn't seem terribly significant either.

Asrial · Jul 08, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

You must mean +7, since thats as high as you'll ever find. Even shields max out at +16.

Nope. +17 armor bow.

The bow comes with +10 and you add the +7 upgrade.

Myth Osis · Jul 09, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

This to me seems terribly slanted... hmmm, BTW thanks for the formula's but

Considerations...

How does a +X defensive mod compare to a +XX health mod?
(can some one show a matrix)

How does the players roll play a purpose?
(Does a different roll make one better than the other?)

How would this affect skills and party dynamics?
(Monks perspective) (Castor perspective) (Tanks perspective)
(Skills that require an amout of damage to be taken to be returned to the dealer, thinking smite: Retribution Aura as an example.. maby some one can find a better example.)

How does this apply to each primary role?
(Blood necro's the obvious build would perfer a helth mod, no?)

I have found this interesting and usefull ... please..... continue....

Blight And Ruin · Jul 09, 2005, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asrial

Nope. +17 armor bow.

The bow comes with +10 and you add the +7 upgrade.

This makes me think it's a collector's bow.

Enlighten me.

Asrial · Jul 09, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

It's a 13-25 bow from the weaponsmith in Henge of Denravi.

Blight And Ruin · Jul 17, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Interesting, thank you.

Yukito Kunisaki · Jul 17, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Damn good read from Ensign...

I'm heavy armor type so I guess hitting the +30ish fortitude Axe Haft would definitely make me more effective...

I was thinking going the -of axe mastery route, but 10% chance of me doing a tiny bit extra isn't worth it.

What's the highest fortitude upgrade an axe can recieve? So far, I've seen as high as 20.

KuTeBaka · Jul 17, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

yukito, it doesnt matter how much armor you have, it will always come out to +8%ish damage reduction. btw, you can save about 100k getting the armor +5 instead of the +30 (max) fortitude, and the +5 is more effective.

thesecondrei · Jul 19, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

On a staff for a necro or elementalist, if I add a staff HEAD of defense, and a staff WRAPPING of defense, I'll get a total of +10 defense....so this means I get around 16% dmg reduction right?

Mentalmdc · Aug 25, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

For a warrior The fortitude mod is more beneficial

For a Caster The defensive mod is more benficial

Rangers can go away as they are awkward

Kuku Monk · Aug 25, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuTeBaka

yukito, it doesnt matter how much armor you have, it will always come out to +8%ish damage reduction. btw, you can save about 100k getting the armor +5 instead of the +30 (max) fortitude, and the +5 is more effective.

Let the inflation of armor mods commence! Thanks for letting the dark little secret out.

Mentalmdc, I am assuming you meant to say "Rangers can go either way..." correct?

Algren Cole · Aug 25, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night Daftshadow

i think it's useless, get a health mod.

then you obviously haven't picked up on the fact that this game is all about damage reduction and energy regeneration.

You only have 1 hitpoint that matters in this game...the hitpoint that takes you from 1 health to 0 health. All other hitpoints are basically a buffer to absorb your monks mistakes/lack of energy/shortcomings....The slower your health drops to 1 the better it is for your monk. The +5 defense (against physical attacks) causes you to lose HP slower. Your monk doesn't know how much health you have....all he knows is how quickly your bar is dropping.

ifuwerepbandj · Aug 25, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

You guys have said that +defense is no good for warriors but aren't their defense vs elements not that great? So a +7 warding modifier would be better than the standard +5 defense would it not?

Red Sonya · Aug 25, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

It's simple armor is for physical damage and hit points are for elemental damage which neglects armor. You need both depending on the situation.

Daegul Mistweaver · Aug 25, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuTeBaka

yukito, it doesnt matter how much armor you have, it will always come out to +8%ish damage reduction. btw, you can save about 100k getting the armor +5 instead of the +30 (max) fortitude, and the +5 is more effective.

That's an interesting question. Does the damage reduction for armor scale, or is it a flat % reduction based on the added armor value? If it does scale then it may very well make more sense for a heavy earth magic warrior to grab the fortitude over the armor; she's already got plenty, and it would help with that build's weakness againt DoTs.

And yea, that unmodded 10AL bow will cost you a whopping 2 plat and a few materials.

Daegul Mistweaver · Aug 25, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

It's simple armor is for physical damage and hit points are for elemental damage which neglects armor. You need both depending on the situation.

Actually there's diferent types of armor: some effect elemental only, some physical only, some both, others are for specific types of damage (lightning, piercing, fire, etc.).

Upgrades are offered as max of +5 vs. all types (defensive), or +7 vs. either elemental(warding) or physical (shelter).

I don't think armor is effective at all vs. DoTs (spells that do damamge over time or conditions that inflict dammage like poison), or against certain necro spells (shadow damage).

Kool Pajamas · Aug 25, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Armor doesnt help against poison, bleeding, hexes....

And when you have major and superior runes, you gonna need more health.

Aug 25, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55	#33
Mentalmdc Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Vile Of Faith [NOVA] Profession: Mo/Me	war elem For a warrior The fortitude mod is more beneficial For a Caster The defensive mod is more benficial Rangers can go away as they are awkward

Jul 08, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11	#21
Blight And Ruin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Never guilded ;-)	Well, that's lucky. I think I paid like 1k total for both of those.

Jul 08, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35	#22
shinseikaze Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dark Side Of The Force Profession: E/Mo	nice never knew +5 armour is so useful spent to much on fortitude mods

Jul 08, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#23
Auntie I Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Veritas Invictus Profession: E/Me	I had been wondering about this topic myself. This has been most enlightening. I guess I now have to go look for an armor mod for my staff.

Jul 08, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#24
ZennZero Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: R/	Now what I wonder is if I would be better served with a +7 shelter or a +5 defense. Ranger armor already has a pretty high resistance agaisnt elemental damage (100) so adding +5 to it might not make much difference, but on the other hand the additional +2 vs phys. doesn't seem terribly significant either.

Jul 09, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07	#26
Myth Osis Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Guild: Red Order Profession: Mo/R	This to me seems terribly slanted... hmmm, BTW thanks for the formula's but Considerations... How does a +X defensive mod compare to a +XX health mod? (can some one show a matrix) How does the players roll play a purpose? (Does a different roll make one better than the other?) How would this affect skills and party dynamics? (Monks perspective) (Castor perspective) (Tanks perspective) (Skills that require an amout of damage to be taken to be returned to the dealer, thinking smite: Retribution Aura as an example.. maby some one can find a better example.) How does this apply to each primary role? (Blood necro's the obvious build would perfer a helth mod, no?) I have found this interesting and usefull ... please..... continue....

Jul 09, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29	#28
Asrial Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Centurion Guard Profession: Mo/E	It's a 13-25 bow from the weaponsmith in Henge of Denravi.

Jul 17, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47	#29
Blight And Ruin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Never guilded ;-)	Interesting, thank you.

Jul 17, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25	#30
Yukito Kunisaki Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Profession: W/N	Damn good read from Ensign... I'm heavy armor type so I guess hitting the +30ish fortitude Axe Haft would definitely make me more effective... I was thinking going the -of axe mastery route, but 10% chance of me doing a tiny bit extra isn't worth it. What's the highest fortitude upgrade an axe can recieve? So far, I've seen as high as 20.

Jul 17, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#31
KuTeBaka Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	yukito, it doesnt matter how much armor you have, it will always come out to +8%ish damage reduction. btw, you can save about 100k getting the armor +5 instead of the +30 (max) fortitude, and the +5 is more effective.

Jul 19, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07	#32
thesecondrei Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: Alliance of Xen [XoO] Profession: W/R	On a staff for a necro or elementalist, if I add a staff HEAD of defense, and a staff WRAPPING of defense, I'll get a total of +10 defense....so this means I get around 16% dmg reduction right?

Aug 25, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09	#36
ifuwerepbandj Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Memphis Guild: Embers of Glory [EoG] Profession: R/E	You guys have said that +defense is no good for warriors but aren't their defense vs elements not that great? So a +7 warding modifier would be better than the standard +5 defense would it not?

Aug 25, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#37
Red Sonya Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005	It's simple armor is for physical damage and hit points are for elemental damage which neglects armor. You need both depending on the situation.

Aug 25, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19	#40
Kool Pajamas Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Maryland Guild: Mage Elites [MAGE]	Armor doesnt help against poison, bleeding, hexes.... And when you have major and superior runes, you gonna need more health.